my next guest journalist tracie mcmillan, set out to put a number on just how much of a benefit she has received. she examined the history of five families, including our own and published the findings in her new book, the white bonus. five families and the cash value of racism in america, tracy, thank you for being with me. it's such a fascinating approach to so many things we've talked about on this show, the disparity of investment, diversity, equity, and inclusion. what led you to the book? >> sure. well, i work as a journalist, but i also am a white person in this country and i felt like i needed to be honest about what i was getting for being white and i don't make a ton of money. so for me, the conversations around white privilege usually center on both sort of racial privilege and class privilege. and i wanted a way to get at this idea of what do i get, what do we all get for being white? and i thought the best way to do that would be to try and figure out if i could estimate how much of sort of racial advantage had shaped my life, just in real terms, privileges, super amorphous